I think they have won the day - they tour from one university to the next, they play at events with names like 'futur.fall', and they are smart artists - not really artists, but academics, they play the system. I don't know what they really contributed, but when I think of the kind of dull-normal artists often featured in a certain period piece magazine of pretentious journalism, describing with drab tenacity their technique of making various noises through various gimmicky means, and so ending up with sound pastiches of no real intensity or imagination, I think of them.